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Post Info TOPIC: Early Warning on Redskins' Offensive Line


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Date: May 2 7:40 AM, 2009
Early Warning on Redskins' Offensive Line
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050103847.html

It was only the first 11-on-11 session of the first day of the Washington Redskins' minicamp, with not a single player in full pads, but a glance at the names across the backs of the first-string offensive line could not have bolstered Jason Campbell's confidence after a tumultuous offseason:

Clark, Dockery, Rabach, Rinehart, Heyer.

With Pro Bowl tackle Chris Samuels and longtime guard Randy Thomas still limited in their returns from major surgery, expect these five players to be shuffled over and over before training camp. But as a snapshot, the lineup projected the lack of depth and alternatives within an aging and injury-prone starting group that failed to run- or pass-block sufficiently during a 2-6 finish to last season.

Devin Clark, 22, the left tackle with Samuels out, is an undrafted free agent who has never played in an NFL game. Derrick Dockery, 28, a solid guard who represents the lone offseason upgrade to this unit, and center Casey Rabach, 31, a linchpin to this offense, were the only projected starters on display. Chad Rinehart, a 23-year-old who was a third-round pick in 2008, never cracked a game-day roster last season, while Stephon Heyer, 25, another undrafted player, struggled as a tackle last year.

"We've got to find a diamond or two in the rough," said running back Clinton Portis, who has voiced his desire for an improved line in the past. "I'm not the GM, I'm not the owner. I'm not the head coach. I talk to 'em, but my opinion . . . you voice your opinion."

Coach Jim Zorn said yesterday at Redskins Park that he does not anticipate any more additions along the offensive line and that the staff is hoping that options emerge from within. Zorn imagines newly signed Mike Williams could help push Heyer and former starter Jon Jansen at right tackle when training camp begins. Williams-- whom Zorn said Sunday weighed 410 pounds but was listed by the team at 370 -- hopes to be able to perform football activities during organized team activities next month.

Three veteran linemen are getting tryouts at the three-day camp, and one of them, Jeremy Bridges, 29, impressed coaches with his footwork and could find himself with a contract and a shot at right tackle next week.

"That position, right now, you hate to say it's up for grabs, because it looks like we don't know what we're doing," Zorn said. "But we're going to find the best guy there. Last year we never settled in on one guy the whole year and we hope we can settle in on one guy."

Banking on Samuels, 31, who will be trying to regain his punch and explosiveness after triceps surgery, without a strong Plan B at left tackle is a gamble. He is also coming off his third straight offseason knee procedure and was slowed by the injury later in the season. Thomas, 33, has become resigned to playing in pain after a series of major surgeries, none more significant than the herniated disc that could have ended his career last year and has him trying to make yet another recovery. And beyond Rabach, there is no one here with pro snapping experience.

Rare is the team that survives an NFL season with the same five linemen who opened it, and of all the potential backups, only Jansen and Williams have any NFL experience of note, with Williams's last game in 2005, when he was earning a reputation for frequent injuries.

"I chose to start working out for personal reasons," Williams said of his return to football, "and in midst of that I thought, 'I feel great, I still have some years left on my body, my back was good.' So I decided I'm going to try to come back, and lo and behold, it came a lot quicker than I thought."

One NFL executive said: "If signing a guy like [Williams] isn't a sign of desperation, I don't know what is. I'm not sure what they're doing on the offensive line."

Such is the situation at Redskins Park, where long shots such as Williams are offered as possible solutions, where Zorn ticks off potential backup guards in rapid succession with no sure thing in the bunch and not much separating one candidate from another.

"Rinehart, [D'Anthony] Batiste, [Rueben] Riley, [Isaiah] Ross, Will Montgomery, they've all been working together," Zorn said. "But you can't really tell anything until they get hit in pads."

Developing Heyer and Rinehart will be imperative.

Rinehart, the only offensive lineman Washington has drafted over a span of 21 selections from 2007 to 2009, was viewed as a marginal NFL player at best during postseason internal reviews, according to team sources, and was inactive despite a slew of injuries late last season.

Zorn described Rinehart as "nervous" last season as he tried to adjust from Northern Iowa to the NFL, but "I look at him now and he's much more relaxed and more powerful." With veteran guards Pete Kendall and Jason Fabini no longer with the team, Rinehart needs to be at the very least worthy of a game-day jersey.

Heyer, who went unselected out of Maryland in 2007 and has thrived in spurts, has first crack at the right tackle job, at least somewhat by default. The Redskins flirted with signing several veteran tackles without doing so, then passed on tackle Michael Oher with the 13th pick in favor of linebacker-defensive end Brian Orakpo.

Jansen is no longer considered a starter by the staff, according to sources, and while Zorn praised Heyer's progress in improving his technique, questions about this group still loom.

"That's not my job to worry about what's going to happen with the organization and who they're going to bring in," Heyer said. "My job is to come in and play to the best of my ability, and maintain my spot."



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Date: May 2 8:48 AM, 2009
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We all knew this was going to be a major area of concern. Did the front office think the problem was addressed when they brought Dockery back or signed Williams? Williams is a nice story but there are a lot of guys with nice stories who never make the team. Now we are counting on luck to get us through the season on the O-line.....again. No way the guys we have, at their age, are going to make it thorough the season. I guess the FO can only address so much in any given off season but the O-line needed an upgrade LAST year.

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Date: May 2 11:45 AM, 2009
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While I worry about this group this article by JLC seems to be yet another alarmist piece designed to generate news rather than report it. This is obviously not the starting lineup the team expects to see on opening day and that is hardly odd for this time of year with guys on every roster in the NFL coming off rehab from injuries from the season that just ended 4 months ago (or less if the team in question went to the post season).

I fully expect the starting lineup to be Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen on opening day even if JLC does not. While he sites team sources as saying Jansen is no longer considered starter material it took an injury to him last year to get Heyer back on the field. Until such time as a change is announced I can't help but believe it will be Jansen unless Williams comes on like gang busters. I just don't think Heyer will be much more than a solid backup anymore despite all the hubbub about him. Frankly, if he can be that he will have surpassed expectations for a guy who was not even drafted.

I am worried about the depth of the interior line. I am still a bit stunned that no lineman was drafted at all this year in any round. I guess I can forgive them not using their 3rd for one when no lineman went to anyone from the point the Skins picked until the 6th pick of the 4th round. That sort of indicates that no team thought there were any linemen out there worthy of those positions so maybe the Skins were on the money there. I am stunned though that Duke Robinson was still on the board when the Skins picked Glenn "The Storyteller" Cody in the 5th. I know his stock has slipped a bit in the weeks leading up to the draft but the guy was once thought of as a probably 1st rounder by a good bit of the league. I just don't get it.

I see another solid start for this club with this group of lineman and another sluggish finish due to age and injuries. My best hope is that more dynamic defense lead by Haynesworth and Orakpo creates more turnovers with a short field that this team turns in to bigger leads early. That is the only way I see this line functioning well deep into the season.

-- Edited by Neophyte on Saturday 2nd of May 2009 02:20:38 PM

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Date: May 2 1:51 PM, 2009
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No comment. Sigh. :(


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Date: May 2 2:41 PM, 2009
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Neophyte wrote:
Glenn "The Storyteller" Cody
LMAO!!!!


 



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Date: May 3 10:39 AM, 2009
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I've written it several times ... what the Redskins have allowed to happen to their lines is not a one-year fix. It's at least 2-3 years worth of concentrated effort. As dire as the situation on the OL still appears, fact is they have done a pretty good job of getting started on the project.

The DL has been dramatically remade with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. If younsters like Montgomery, Golston and Wilson continue to develop, and they plan to add another couple of young bodies in Year Two of the rebuild next season, things will have stabilized nicely.

By concentrating on the DL, of course, the dramatic OL rebuild had to be deferred a year. The addition of Dockery helps, but unless they get unexpectedly solid contributions from some combination of Rinehart, big Mike Williams or filler guys like Batiste, Clark, etc., watching the weekly injury report is going to be as regular and central part of gameday preview process.

My hope for this year is that the plan includes the addition of at least one or two veteran roster cuts between now and the preseason---guys in the mold of Kendall a couple years ago. The hope for next offseason is as aggressive a rebuild on the OL as they one they made on the DL this year.

Hope is what keeps us alive.

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Date: May 3 12:21 PM, 2009
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It’s true, we can always hope. We still might need to have Shar Pourdanesh on speed dial, just in case.

I have clearly expressed my dismay at the state of the offensive line moving into next year. Let me leave all of that behind and look at the best possible scenario. Let’s say we go into the season with the following starters.

Samuels
Dockery
Rabach
Thomas
Heyer

You normally have two active backups and one or two other guys on the roster that don’t dress. My guess would be you’d have Jansen and maybe Rinehart (I hope) in those spots. The other two linemen that make the team is anyone’s guess, but whoever it ends up being they aren’t going to be ready for prime time right away. I don’t know if Williams will even make the team. We’ll see.

IF HEALTHY this line is about middle of the NFL pack.


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Date: May 3 10:41 PM, 2009
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Neophyte wrote:


I fully expect the starting lineup to be Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen on opening day even if JLC does not. While he sites team sources as saying Jansen is no longer considered starter material it took an injury to him last year to get Heyer back on the field.



I seem to remember that Heyer won the starting job last year, and lost it due to injury. Then Jansen couldn't play once again due to injury, and Heyer hit the field again. Jansen was doing so poorly, I remember quite a few people scratching their heads when Heyer didn't get the spot back when he was healthy again.

Sad part is, even if Heyer isn't starter meterial, which I think he could be more then a servicable starting RT, Jansen is on a fast down hill ride. The guy was a warhorse for a long time, but has become fragile. You can count on him missing games, and availability is huge for us right now. If nothing else, Heyer has youth on his side, and time to develop.

 



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There are still several vets available out there if it comes down to it. Like Neo said, JLC likes to paint as gloomy a picture as possible at all times.

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Date: May 4 10:01 AM, 2009
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What's really scary is the possibility of something happening to Samuels. That would likely give us Heyer at LT and Jansen at RT. That would equalbuggered.gif as we'd be unable to pass, run, or do pretty much anything This is where our lack of depth could really derail our season.

I realize that most teams don't have another star sitting on the bench at many positions-if any. However, they typically do have guys they can get by with for a few games. In our case, almost across the board, we have backups that create huge problems for us even in spot duty.

Developing depth and a "starter pipeline" is another project that will understandably take several years. Unfortunately for us, Cerrato has a really poor record after the first round or two.

-- Edited by Yusuf06 on Monday 4th of May 2009 10:04:17 AM

-- Edited by Yusuf06 on Monday 4th of May 2009 10:04:48 AM

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Date: May 4 10:11 AM, 2009
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I am actually less concerned about loosing Samuels at the moment than I am Rabach. Right this minute there is not another guy on the roster who has taken an offensive snap at Center in an NFL game. Our apparent choices at the moment are Jansen and the UDFA rookie from Maryland (forget his name). This just blows my mind.

Not to say that loosing Sameuls would not be a huge blow. It would be, as anyone watching the offense last season after he went out can attest too. Granted, the situation was compounded by loosing both starting Tackles at the same time but still...

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Date: May 4 8:23 PM, 2009
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It is a sad state of affairs when the team that put the spot light on "O" lineman is stuck watching the wavier wire this summer. We may get lucky and pick up two solid back ups or maybe even a starter this summer as other teams make their final cuts.

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