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Yusuf06


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Date: Apr 6 2:58 PM, 2009
On the Clock - Washington Redskins (ESPN)
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Neophyte wrote:

I give up. I must know nothing of player personnel in the NFL at all anymore. Last year, all we heard when the Skins traded for Taylor (6-6, 255) to fill the hole at LDE was that he was too small to play the position in a 4-3 in the rugged NFC East. That he could not hold the corner against the run effectively for 4 quarters, 16 straight games.

So this year, all I read is how Brian Orakpo (6-4, 260) is the "dream scenario" for the Skins. To me this seems like Taylor 2.0, just lacking the experience, reputation and Defensive Player of the Year award. If Taylor was too small, how is Orakpo suddenly just right? Maybin and Brown are both even lighter at 252 and 250, respectively.

I'm not much better at the nuances of player evaluation than you are.  However, Taylor was 255 as a finished product (as was Strahan BTW) whereas I think Orakpo might be able to gain 10 pounds for a final playing weight of about ~270. That's not bad at all for an NFL LDE. After all, Kearse was considered a "tweener" and eventually gained a good bit of weight such that he was up in the 270 range IIRC (too lazy to check).

With all that said, I will consider this offseason to be an abject failure if we don't get a replacement for Jansen on the right side. We simply cannot go into a season in which we need to know whether JC is "The Man" and the degree to which Zorn's playcalling has evolved with that kind of significant handicap at RT.

*Edit* Kearse weighed in at 262 at the combine and the bio's I'm finding for him now have him at 265. So much for that example. Even so, I don't think it's too far out of line to think Orakpo could gain 6-10 pounds and not lose too much speed/quickness.

-- Edited by Yusuf06 on Monday 6th of April 2009 03:11:45 PM

-- Edited by Yusuf06 on Monday 6th of April 2009 03:14:32 PM

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Date: Apr 8 2:44 PM, 2009
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Hope you don't mind  us linking our article here, but here is what the 102 mock drafts are projecting that have been updated in the month of April.  As expected, there is an even split among OT Andre Smith and OT Michael Oher.  DE Robert Ayers and DE Aaron Maybin are gaining some steam. 

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/04/the-washington-redskins-draft-andre-smith-michael-oher-tied.html

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Larry Brown #43


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Date: Apr 8 4:15 PM, 2009
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Yusuf06 wrote:

With all that said, I will consider this offseason to be an abject failure if we don't get a replacement for Jansen on the right side. We simply cannot go into a season in which we need to know whether JC is "The Man" and the degree to which Zorn's playcalling has evolved with that kind of significant handicap at RT.
Good point. I don't watch enough college football to authoritatively say "take this guy" or "take that guy," but RT definitely would make a lot of sense. And from everything I read, Michael Oher seems like a good one.

If he and Andre Smith are remotely equal (I guess that's an oxymoron, but you know what I mean), I'd rather go with Oher. Smith seems like a complete basketcase who just might pull a Demetrius Underwood-style freakout one day.  

 



-- Edited by Larry Brown #43 on Wednesday 8th of April 2009 04:16:16 PM

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illone


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Date: Apr 8 7:56 PM, 2009
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Maualuga worries me because he only ran in the 4.7's on his pro day.

That doesn't translate well to OLB, and Mayock said as much. Plus it's not like he rushed the passer a ton at SC. If the team wants to replace LFB then he may be the pick, but not to play OLB.


Ayers looks to be gaining some steam, and he doesn't worry me as much anymore considering we have BigAl who is from the same school. might be nice to have a beast SEC dline.


*2 cents*

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Date: Apr 13 11:14 PM, 2009
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I can't help but get the feeling that the redskins need to take a DE @ #13 if they want to maximize the investment in fat Albert. Despite a few holes at LB the overall talent on defense doesn't look bad with a deep secondary and a DL that seems to only lack a quality LDE. The addition of Albert, and a solid rookie LDE, could vault the defense into elite status.

Adding talent to the DL may be the quickest way to make the Redskins a playoff team again.........even if the need on the OL is much greater. Ultimately I get the feeling that sucess on offense this year will be entirely contingent on JC's ability to "turn the corner." If he can't improve the offense will struggle to score points (again) no matter any additions in talent at OT.

As my dream scenario I'd love the Redskins to trade down and grab some combination of Unger/Mack/Robinson. I'm not a huge Dockery guy and think its high time to move on from Randy Thomas and Rabach. Still don't think this would help the team in the short term but I love me some big nasties in the middle.



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illone


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Date: Apr 17 10:50 PM, 2009
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It looks like nobody has a bead on the Skins because the Post is reporting that they haven't had Ayers in for a visit.



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My biggest concern is that the FO actually picks a guy that will PRODUCE!

There is probably a reason they feel comfortable w/ building (or not) through free agency and that's because they suck at picking talent in the draft. The lack of production from our 2nd rnd picks is stunning.

I wish I could be so wrong at my job!

I agree w/ the sentiment previously mentioned by some of you guys; I don't care who the guy is, I want either the RT or the DE position / issue SOLVED for AT LEAST the next 7years.

These are my thoughts on draft grades / expectations:

Baseline acceptable: 1st and 2nd rounders turn out to be consistent starters and remain on the team through 1st contract and sign the 2nd contract - roughly 6-8 years of solide starting servicability.

Good: A team earns Good status if they can meet the conditions outlined above with their 3rd rnd pick(s).

Very Good: This status appears when their 4th round picks produce an occasional starter, as outlined above, once every 3 or 4 years but annually these picks are solid back-ups and Special Teams contributors. Very Good drafting teams retain over 80% of thier 1st thru 4th rnd pick on the roster for 5 years. Injuries and flat out misses will account for the 20% 'loss' factor.

Great Teams: Add the 5th - 7th round picks to the production levels outlined above with the occasional exceptional starter (from Tom Brady to Horton) from these picks.

My grade for us is below baseline acceptable. Numers articles, talk radio discussions and message board post have outlined our recent drat futility so I won't go into detail here, but I think it is safe to say we have sucked at managing our draft in terms of keeping our picks, getting value out of those picks that we do trade (give - Duckett) away or getting solid starters from those we do pick.

Any talk of us trading back in order to get more picks is faulty because we have not demonstarted the ability to actually pick quality, long term players.

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