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Date: Apr 29 5:58 PM, 2009
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I was watching Major League the other night and wondered if Danny would ever, in his darkest of dark corners of his win-at-all-costs mind, consider tanking a season on purpose in order to be in a better position to get a quarterback the following year.

After initially laughing off the idea, my thought process started to humor it.  If not in today's scenario, would this EVER be an option to him?  If so, what circumstances would be more perfect than these?  QB in his contract year, failed to get his franchise QB in a trade, failed to get his QB in the draft, volatile economy that's cause other capitalists to make desperate decisions, team not expecting to do much, fledgling coach.

After deciding that there just may be a 1 in a million chance he would do it, then came the real fun - thinking about how he would do it.

Obviously you'd need Vinny involved.  They practically shower together, so you'd figure he'd have to be involved in something like this.  Hell, it wouldn't shock me in the least to find out this was all Vinny's idea.

How about Zorn?  Could he tank the team without Zorn's help?  Possibly.  But it'd be much easier if he was involved.  But how would he get him involved without Zorn flipping out?  Money.  I figure for $5 or $10 million, they could convince Zorn to ditch his morals for a second and play along.  After all, should the plan succeed, and they do get their dream quarterback and become an NFL powerhouse, Zorn would be considered the next Belichick. 

But that would have to be it.  Any more and the whole thing blows up.  Or would having one player involved be worth the risk? 

Obviously not Campbell, though that would be the easiest way to corrupt a team.  Portis?  He wouldn't do it for $100 million.  Plus, how much could a running back negatively influence the game?  So who could?

The kicker.

Suisham is hardly the highest paid kicker.  And he's probably not very liked because, well, he's a kicker.  With enough money, I'm sure he could be swayed to the dark side and what better player to have while plotting to sabbotage the season than the kicker.

From there, how hard would it really be?  The actual game plan can remain almost the same.  It's not like we were blowing away anyone last year, even Detriot, so losing by 4 or 5 instead of winning by 4 or 5 would fly perfectly under the normalcy radar.  Little less preperation.  A couple risky gambles.  A few painful acts of conservation.  A few blown kicks.

And it's not like we'd have to finish dead last.  Top 5 would be close enough or, in terms of record, 3-13 or 4-12 at the very best.   That's really only 4 games off our last year's total.  It's not in Major League where they have to lose 100 games.  Just 4 or 5 more than usual.  And although the last two seasons had the worst team having 1 and 0 losses respectively, it's typically a 3 or 4 loss team that's drafting 1st overall.  We'd win a few, show flashes of brilliance, than fall back to our losing ways.  Nothing too dissimilar than actual reality.

And then, low and behold, we're sitting 2 or 3 in a draft that features Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, and a half dozen other quarterbacks that are clearly worth the effort of winning for. 

And in the worst case scenario - the whole thing blows up, he's got the ultimate plan B:  exclusive rights to the movie that depicts the gory details of the most controversial conspiracy in sports history, which would obviously be produced by Tom Cruise.



-- Edited by Aston on Wednesday 29th of April 2009 05:59:53 PM

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Hog Fever wrote:


I wonder if teams do a Post Mortem report of sorts on why draft picks fail to live up to expectations? My guess is they would, but I can’t be 100% sure that happens. It seems like it would be a useful piece of information. Why did Heath Shuler fail? Yeah, I know, “he sucked”, but why did he suck? What part of the equation did we miss? I’m way out in left field now so I’ll stop.



Most people seem not to be able to deal with the fact that such a failure has several reasons and not just one.  Also, many get heavily upset when the reason they believe is true is seen in combination with the other reasons or is not considered.  Finally, many of those remaining confuse the reason(s) for failure with excuse for failure.

 



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Om wrote:

I think Heath had the physical tools, just not the football mind.





-- Edited by Om on Tuesday 21st of April 2009 02:04:19 PM




I can count the number of players who succesfully have been the "man" upon being drafted by a truly bad team on the fingers of one hand.  While there are a few more, not many can even deal with the ego deflation and physical assault that occur in the first year or two on such a bad team.  Confidence in yourself, your team and your coaches are the most important factors in making a successful QB.



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Interesting theory Aston. However, I don't think it's nearly as elaborate a scheme as what you've described. Instead, I think Snyderatto feels JC and/or Zorn isn't "The Man" and are  afraid he might have an average to good season at which point not extending him would be a tough sell for many fans. As a result, I think they've intentionally avoided upgrading the OL. That should have the desired effect without having to bring kickers or coaches in on the "plan". paranoid


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Yusuf06 wrote:

Interesting theory Aston. However, I don't think it's nearly as elaborate a scheme as what you've described. Instead, I think Snyderatto feels JC and/or Zorn isn't "The Man" and are  afraid he might have an average to good season at which point not extending him would be a tough sell for many fans. As a result, I think they've intentionally avoided upgrading the OL. That should have the desired effect without having to bring kickers or coaches in on the "plan". paranoid



It really says something about this organization is they'd stoop so low to do that.  If Danny & Vinny weren't involved in this, I'd call that a ridiculous theory.

 



-- Edited by KB24 on Friday 1st of May 2009 07:58:42 AM

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It's been a long week ... I can't tell if you guys are serious or not.


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Om wrote:

It's been a long week ... I can't tell if you guys are serious or not.




I don't think Snyder, or any owner for that matter,  would intentionally sabotage a season.

That said, you yourself admitted feeling a bit disappointed when the Jets traded up to grab Sanchez, albeit only temporary. 

How do you think Snyder felt? Fresh off the heartbreak of losing Cutler, now he gets out-bid by the Jets?  I can only imagine the emotion was somewhere between furious and livid.

For all his criticisms, you can never accuse Dan Snyder of not wanting to win.  Some of his decisions are questionable, but his driving motivation behind those decisions is not.

Again, I don't think he would sabotage a season for any reason.  But clearly, he and Cerato feel that we need a better quarterback.  As responsible owners and VPs of football opertations, they wouldn't be doing their job if they felt we needed a better quarterback and did nothing about it.

They wanted Cutler, didn't get him.  They wanted Sanchez, didn't get him.  So if you're Snyder, wouldn't it be logical to be asking yourself 'Who's the next target and how can I acquire him'?

The humor is speculating the extent at which they go to avoid losing a third straight QB sweepstakes.  smile



-- Edited by Aston on Friday 1st of May 2009 12:28:51 PM

-- Edited by Aston on Friday 1st of May 2009 12:30:37 PM

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Wouldn't it have been more logical to just have given up next year's #1 to get ahead of NY to get Sanchez? They would have gotten the guy they wanted without any complex conspiracy or having to sit through an intentionally bad year.

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Wouldn't it have been more logical to just have given up next year's #1 to get ahead of NY to get Sanchez? They would have gotten the guy they wanted without any complex conspiracy or having to sit through an intentionally bad year.



I think they thought they could get Sanchez without giving up next year's first, like NY did.  They just had more picks and players to deal than we did.

He also seemed pretty firm about not giving up next year's 1st throughout this whole ordeal, and did keep his word on that, so I guess even Danny Boy has his limits.  smile

 



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I was being totally serious. However I don't think Snyderatto's intent is to "sabotage" the season. Rather, I think they feel JC's ceiling is a middle of the road type QB. Likewise, I think they're equally enamored of the virtual smorgasboard (sp) of experienced, "pedigreed" coaching candidates that will be available next offseason. Given all that I honestly believe they've decided to build the defense now and wait to do anything about the offense. Doing so minimizes the possibility that JC or Zorn has a decent year next season and paves the way for a replacement for both.

Absent such a scheme, I think they see themselves tied to either or both guys for the next few years and I just don't think that's what Snyderatto wants.

BTW, funny stuff Chris. laughing.gif

-- Edited by Yusuf06 on Friday 1st of May 2009 04:02:34 PM

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Yusuf06 wrote:

Interesting theory Aston. However, I don't think it's nearly as elaborate a scheme as what you've described. Instead, I think Snyderatto feels JC and/or Zorn isn't "The Man" and are  afraid he might have an average to good season at which point not extending him would be a tough sell for many fans. As a result, I think they've intentionally avoided upgrading the OL. That should have the desired effect without having to bring kickers or coaches in on the "plan". paranoid



It really says something about this organization is they'd stoop so low to do that.  If Danny & Vinny weren't involved in this, I'd call that a ridiculous theory.

 



-- Edited by KB24 on Friday 1st of May 2009 07:58:42 AM

 




Even if we'd been 'successful' getting Cutler or Sanchez, we would not even have had an opportunity to upgrade our line.  If it is true that the o-line is that bad to sabtoge the season, then Sanchez WOULDhave been a bust with us and Cutler would have been below average.  Season would probably have been tanked in any case.



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