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Post Info TOPIC: Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn Meet the Press
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Date: Apr 23 8:19 AM, 2009
RE: Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn Meet the Press
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Neophyte wrote:

Gotta disagree sir.  Simply putting in the time does not make a person qualified for anything.  You have to truly learn something in that time.  Honestly evaluate your mistakes which means admitting that you made on in the first place.  I know many people with lots of time in on their jobs who have never progressed past the basic understanding of what is going on.  Some folks just don't have it.  Period ....




I don't disagree with the theory, brother.  But I would point out that to make it apply in Snyder's case, it would have to mean he has not learned anything, or admitted any mistakes.  In the cold light of day, we both know he has.  What remains in question is exactly how much. 

Again ... my larger point is simply that it has become far too easy in my opinion for people to dismiss Dan Snyder as just some spoiled rich kid off the street playing GM.  Maybe he was that 10 years ago, but I think it strains credulity to think that those 10 years in the room haven't given the man at least a little more insight into the workings of an NFL team than the great majority of those---of us---who criticize his involvement so furiously. 



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Date: Apr 23 10:15 AM, 2009
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Essentially the press conference let us know there will be a draft held this weekend and the Skins will be participating. Thanks for the news flash. It was pointless.

I’m not saying, like some people I’ve heard, that Snyder should sign the checks and become a ghost. I believe he has a role to play in the organization and the strategies they employ, to quote Dirty Harry though “A man’s go to know his limitations.”

Knowing your limitations is not a concept wildly successful men are familiar with. When I see Jerry Jones scouting players and making player moves I laugh. When I hear Snyder is “smitten” with Sanchez I want to laugh, but I can’t. All owners are involved in the day to day operations of their teams to some extent. Again, to think that Snyder wouldn’t be deeply involved would be silly; I would be too in his position.

Dan also must have learned quite a bit about football since he bought the team. Still, I wouldn’t think he’d have enough time in his day to be an expert business man, head scout, GM, final say on all team matters and whatever else it is he does? I would think he’d realize that those jobs would be best delegated to people who have spent their lives trying to be good at those things, much like he devoted himself to making money and growing a business. I’ll grant you that even listening to the right folks doesn’t automatically guarantee success, but it would seem that that would give you the best chance for sustained success regardless of coaches or players (to a point).

Cowher was not the sole reason Pittsburgh was good. People should realize that now if they didn’t already. I give the guy his due but the organization was able to give him the players that worked well in their system. They would not commit too much money to any one player; they drafted well. They do a lot of things right. They are not perfect but they are remarkably consistent and rarely have a horrible season, and Ben Roethlisberger is nothing special in my opinion. A solid organization makes a good coach look great or a great coach look average.

Hey, what do I know? I’m just a fan, and a forgiving fan at that. I have always loved the team warts and all and will continue to do so. I don’t insist on them winning every year. I don’t call for the coaches’ job every year. I buy my jerseys and stuff for the kids. I try to get up to see at least one game a season. I’m just like a lot of you. I am starting to get some apathy towards the team though and that's something new for me. Maybe I’m just getting older? Maybe I’m tired of seeing them screw up the same way year after year? I don’t know. I see other organizations doing things the right way and think to myself “Why not us?”


-- Edited by Hog Fever on Thursday 23rd of April 2009 10:22:04 AM

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Cardas wrote:

Just a thought, but if Dan after 10 years of living breathing and running a Pro Team, with 4 years of guidance from a Hall of Fame coach doesn't earn him the right to say a couple words prior to the draft....




Cardas, I generally agree with you, if you just look at his comments in a vacuum. But what I'm trying to do is read the tea leaves to see if his comments portend anything about his future ambitions.

Call it a hunch, but I get the sense that Snyder is thinking about eventually becoming the Jerry Jones of the Redskins. And by that, I don't just mean the owner. By talking publicly about the team's draft day direction (even though he didn't say much of anything), he's getting folks used to the idea of him being a (the?) chief football decision-maker.

Since purchasing the team, Snyder has alternated between taking a more active or less active role in the operation of the team (more active during Norv/Spurrier/Zorn; less active during Marty/Gibbs).

I think he's frustrated with the team's lack of playoff success, and he thinks he can fix that by becoming more involved.

Again, a lot of this is speculation, and again, I don't have a problem with him having some involvement. I'm just trying to look at the situation clinically and unemotionally to gauge where I think he's headed. And I think he's trending toward greater involvement, not less.



-- Edited by Larry Brown #43 on Thursday 23rd of April 2009 12:16:52 PM

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My biggest problem with Daniel Snyder is that he seems to operate every year under the premise that we are close to being a very good team. So close that we are only a piece or two away from mattering in this league.

But, we aren't.

The following projected starters have either reached their career performance peak or have started down that hill:

Jon Jansen
Randy Thomas
Casey Rabach
Chris Samuels
Clinton Portis
Mike Sellers
Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle El

Andre Carter
Cornelius Griffen
Phillip Daniels/ Renaldo Wynn
London Fletcher
Fred Smoot (nickel)

This year the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants all have more than nine selections in the draft.

We have what? 3?

Who is going to fill the holes this team has?

You Lt. Weinberg?

Our future is now.

Are you feeling lucky?




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Chris... the one of the more obscure referances you have in your post is Jack from A Few Good Men.

I admit the context in which you use it is slick.

2pts for me on the pull though.

Larry... I understand where you are coming from; I really do.  I just wonder sometimes if we (and I mean the collective fanbase) aren't just picking on Snyder just a bit too much.  I mean calling him Matt Millan may be a bit too much.

I think picking on Snyder has become the trendy thing to do, and just like when we were all kids... if a kid gets picked on by some... he gets picked on by all, and EVERYTHING he does is laughed at.  However, if one of the "cool kids" did the exact same thing... well that's just the coolest thing ever!

Case in point... if we actually landed Cutler... would we have gotten the same positive press as Chicago?  No, because of Dan.

Sorry I'm rambling... Mark's influence I guess ;) LOL (I kid because I love brother)


-- Edited by Cardas on Friday 24th of April 2009 07:24:59 AM

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Cardas wrote:

Larry... I understand where you are coming from; I really do.  I just wonder sometimes if we (and I mean the collective fanbase) aren't just picking on Snyder just a bit too much. 

I think picking on Snyder has become the trendy thing to do, and just like when we were all kids... if a kid gets picked on by some... he gets picked on by all, and EVERYTHING he does is laughed at.  However, if one of the "cool kids" did the exact same thing... well that's just the coolest thing ever!


I agree with this...so when I am critical of Snyder I try to make sure I'm basing my criticism on something more than just, "Dan did it so it must suck!" I agree that there's a lot of that knee-jerk anti-Snyder sentiment out there, where people criticize something simply because Snyder touched it. But at the same time, there are some very legit concerns about his handling of the team.

I do give him credit where it's due. I don't think I uttered a negative word about the man the entire time Gibbs II was in effect because I was so supportive and appreciative of the move to bring Gibbs back. But now that Gibbs is gone, I guess I'm back to being objective again.  ;)

 



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Larry Brown #43 wrote:

But now that Gibbs is gone, I guess I'm back to being objective again.  ;)


Fair Enough.  Part of me wonders though... Is he there more as a public face due to the fact that Vinny (who more or less actually does run the show) isn't too good with the press?

In the end, when it's all said in done, this is what we as fans do... during the offseason we question the ownership / leadership.  During the season, we question the coaches and players.  God I love this game!

 



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Cardas wrote:

I think picking on Snyder has become the trendy thing to do, and just like when we were all kids... if a kid gets picked on by some... he gets picked on by all, and EVERYTHING he does is laughed at.  However, if one of the "cool kids" did the exact same thing... well that's just the coolest thing ever!

Case in point... if we actually landed Cutler... would we have gotten the same positive press as Chicago?  No, because of Dan.


I completely agree. When Atlanta's owner wined and dined Micheal Turner last off-season, it was portrayed in the media as "the owner spent time with him and was very impressed." When Snyder is impressed with a player, he's "smitten". - Clearly that portays him in a more negative light.

When Haynesworth was signed, they always pointed to Stubblefield and Archuleta as "all those free agent busts" the Redskins sign, while failing to mention the majority of free agents that worked out.

I don't understand why people are complaining about the possibility of us drafting a QB when our offense is constantly mediocre or just plain bad. Why do message board posters (and I don't necessarily mean here) think they know better than a pro scouting department and a coach who has spent the last 35 years either playing or coaching the position?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with getting another QB, but I don't have a lot of confidence in our offense the way it is now.

 



-- Edited by Jimster on Friday 24th of April 2009 12:59:50 PM

-- Edited by Jimster on Friday 24th of April 2009 01:00:28 PM

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